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J.A.P. with Pegson pump

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Post by Ianhw77k Tue Jul 30 2013, 20:50

I recently won this on Ebay for a great price. Despite the pictures it was pretty much complete and I've been stripping it today.
I've got to a point where I can't carry on and I wondered if anyone had any ideas. I can't seem to split the engine from the pump. I'm guessing it is a parallel shaft but could it be a taper? Or is the impeller threaded on, if so is it a right hand or left hand thread? The starter dog was a normal right hand thread.

Here's some pictures, see what you all think.

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Post by Lewis MacRae Tue Jul 30 2013, 21:04

Looks great, what colour are you going to paint it? any idea on age?

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Post by Ianhw77k Tue Jul 30 2013, 21:39

It was green but I fancied a change, I've got some post box red or some building site/plant orange. I was thinking about shining up the ally on the pump with an oily rag as well so most colour would be for the engine and petrol tank. It's a lovely little unit, the magneto looks to be in fairly good nick as well.

J.A.P. with Pegson pump IMAG0601_zpse98e13e9

No idea on age, the engine plate has had it so not even sure if there are any numbers on it and the pump plate went a long time ago by the looks of things.

Here's a link to the original Ebay listing, I forgot to take any before pictures Embarassed

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAP-2A-four-stroke-petrol-stationary-engine-Pegson-Water-pumps-nice-exhibit-/121147727162?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=nsV9gosldleCRnwcruQE4YkNkEM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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Post by Stamford24 Tue Jul 30 2013, 22:09

Is that a grub screw on the raised part of the casting that joins engine to pump? I bet the pump shaft goes over the crankshaft and its keyed and possibly grub screw too, although maybe just a press fit.

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Post by Foden Tue Jul 30 2013, 22:24

Ian I have a similar unit but the pump is an ALCON.  The impeller on that was screwed on, standard right hand thread, and unscrewed easily after a tap with a hammer and piece of wood on the end of the scroll.  Behind it was a spring loaded seal.
 
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Post by Ianhw77k Tue Jul 30 2013, 22:38

I don't remember seeing a grubscrew on there but I'll take a closer look before I try unscrewing it. There's a lot of crud on it and the light is terrible in my workshop but at least I've got a bench now. It's good to be able to do some work finally Smile

Thanks for the suggestions Smile
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Post by nutgone Sat Aug 03 2013, 12:58

My Villiers/Hippo pump units had screw on impellers as well, one I managed to un-do by hand quite easily, the other took a bit of shocking off.

Bring it round here if you like, I've got the Scott running now so the bench is relatively clear (for now at least).

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Post by Ianhw77k Sat Aug 03 2013, 21:53

Pete, you were bang on mate, cheers Smile

Pump and engine now separated and crankshaft out. There is a fair amount of play in the big end so if anyone knows of any spares knocking about I would be most interested.

Now there is a lot of cleaning to do Sad
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Post by Ianhw77k Mon Aug 05 2013, 15:49

Cleaning in progress yesterday.
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Post by blackvanman Mon Aug 05 2013, 17:12

Foden wrote:Ian I have a similar unit but the pump is an ALCON.  The impeller on that was screwed on, standard right hand thread, and unscrewed easily after a tap with a hammer and piece of wood on the end of the scroll.  Behind it was a spring loaded seal.
 
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